Refund and Reparation

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http://www.carolineletkeman.org/refund/ltr-2004-10-26.html

On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 15:11:18 GMT, "sharky" < This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it >
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>"Gerry Armstrong" < This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it > wrote in message
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>> On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 18:00:40 GMT, "sharky" < This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it >
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>>>"Gerry Armstrong" < This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it > wrote in message
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>>>> New section webbed on carolineletkeman.org:
>>>> http://www.carolineletkeman.org/refund/docs/testing.html
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>>>> Give Caroline her money back, Scientology thieves.
>>>
>>>Show me anybody who refunds money for services delivered 8 years ago.
>>
>> It's your cult that promises to do so. This promise makes your cult
>> sound "ethical," but it's, as you demonstrate, just more criminal
>> fraud.
>
>It is criminal fraud to come 8 years later and demand re-funds for services >delivered.

It is actually libelous for you to claim or imply that this is what
Caroline and/or I have been or are doing. You have no basis in law,
logic or ethics, other than Scientology "ethics," which is utterly
unethical, to make this libelous allegation.

Your cult ripped Caroline off. Now it must pay back the money.
Scientology must pay back the money even according to your own
"doctrine of exchange."

A claim of fraud runs from the time the fraud was discovered. If you
woke up today, Gerhard, and discovered that for 8 years, or 30 years,
you'd been ripped off, day after day after day, "service" after
"service" after "service," payment after payment after payment,
especially by a cult that promises that if you're merely not
"satisfied" it will refund your payments, you would have a perfectly
legitimate legal claim against that cult. (I am not claiming to be a
lawyer, and you must make your own legal decisions.)

The Scientology cult, as directed David Miscavige, has ripped off
thousands upon thousands of customers. All of them, in order to pay
what was ripped off, were brainwashed. That is, they were inculcated
with the idea that if they did exactly what they were told, including
paying what would be ripped off, everything would be okay. That idea
is the core "belief" for brainwashed Scientology customers, and
largely for staff.

What would be "okay" for any customer, as part of the inculcation or
brainwash, would certainly include actual receipt of what Scientology
was promising in exchange for the payments. What Scientology promises
would include, obviously, and by way of example, the increase in IQ
per time unit of doing what the customer was told to do by the people
who took his payments in exchange for such promise or promises.

Obviously not all of those customers -- often people like Caroline who
paid over 60 thousand dollars, and who gave the cult over twenty years
of doing exactly what she was told to do -- will become unbrainwashed,
or at least will not become unbrainwashed at the same time. You might
recall this datum, or dictum, or dogma, which, by the way, Hubbard did
not coin (oh, what am I thinking, ka-ching!) "It takes as long as it
takes."

There are some obvious, and obviously unobvious steps out of the
Scientology brainwash, that is, to the point of no longer doing any of
what Scientology says to do to obtain or attain anything Scientology
promises. The knowledge or discovery that (again using the IQ example)
one's IQ did not go up by the product of all the time units the
ex-customer had spent in Scientology doing exactly what he was told to
do and the reasonable expectation of measurable increase per time
unit, as Hubbard measured and sold IQ gain in "scripture," might not
occur for many years. You haven't had that cognition, right? And
you've been doing exactly what you're told to do in Scientology for
how long?

Obviously, the Miscavige cult does what it can to keep customers like
yourself, and ex-customers like Caroline, from ever gaining that
knowledge; here, continuing with the same example, that their IQs have
not increased all those expected points by doing exactly what they'd
been told to do. The Miscavigists still publish the same set of IQ-
raising claims, still include Hubbard's huge gains per hour claims as
"scripture," pump out ever glossier IQ boosting promo, e.g.,
http://www.carolineletkeman.org/refund/docs/validity-346-insert1.html
http://www.carolineletkeman.org/refund/docs/connect-fsm-nwsltr-2001.html
and attack the good folk who criticize the criminality and who cognite
on the fraud and request their money back as never before. What Mr.
Waterkamp is doing here -- one of the duties of his hat -- is to help
Miscavige stop people from finding out that they have been defrauded.

This massive campaign to prevent people from discovering the fraud,
which campaign includes continuing the marketing of the fraud and
declaring and black PRing customers who do wake up and discover the
fraud, effectively tolls the statute of limitations on this fraud.
With that gargantuan size and effort of this Scientology campaign to
prevent people from waking up, one can expect that there would be a
colossal and fairly sudden reaction with great numbers of customers
and staff waking up, and discovering that they had been defrauded.
Will you put off your waking up, Gerhard, until everyone else has
woken up?

You will note that in your campaign to prevent people from waking up
and discovering the fraud, you and Miscavige are too late with
Caroline. She found out, and when she found out she requested her
money back pursuant to your cult's policy.

There are multiple points of cognition or discovery regarding
Scientology, a significant one of which is that the people doing the
ordering of what the ex-customer did, exactly as ordered through all
those hours, days or years, are not honest, ethical, civil rights-
promoting, humanitarian people, and Scientology is not only not the
most ethical organization on the planet (part of the KSW inculcation
and key to the brainwash) but is a pathologically unethical
organization. You're still brainwashed, Gerhard, so you still haven't
woken up to just how unethical Scientology is; but that is a cognition
that any customer or staffer like yourself can have at any time. For
now, it is your hat to black PR people like Caroline and me in order
to forward Scientology's campaign to prevent people from finding out
just how unethical the cult is. Naturally, to any thinking person,
your actions in attacking good people and trying to prevent people
from finding out just how unethical Scientology is, demonstrate
perfectly just how unethical the cult is.

> Giving you wanna be rip off artists any money would be the
>unethical thing to do.

This is Miscavige logic. Attack the defrauded. Attack the defenseless.
Attack the victims. Attack the SPs, because they are the defrauded,
the defenseless, the victims. Don't mention the fraud.

>
>And it is true criminals like you are stupid.

I am not so stupid that I wouldn't know if my wife had an IQ of five
hundred let alone five thousand.

>
>Your posts demonstrate it every time.

Here's my web site, where many of my posts and other writings are
webbed. People can see for themselves.
http://www.gerryarmstrong.org

Here's another web site, where people can see for themselves the
"Suppressive Person" doctrine, which explains with the Scientology
cult's own documents why Miscavige is such a liar, why you attack good
people, why Scientology blatantly violates its own "policy" of giving
refunds requested, and why the cult is just as unethical as it is
http://www.suppressiveperson.org/

And here's Caroline's site, where people can see for themselves her
claim for a refund and her efforts to obtain the refund that
Scientology promises but does not deliver.
http://www.carolineletkeman.org/

© Gerry Armstrong
http://www.gerryarmstrong.org